The Winchesters Season Finale: Is It Really No Way to Say Goodbye?

The season finale of The Winchesters was called “Hey, That’s No Way To Say Goodbye,” a nod to the fact that it’s some kind of ending even if we don’t know what kind yet or how final that ending might be. If it doesn’t get picked up by the CW, which seems unlikely as it’s not picking up many scripted shows, Chaos Machine has said they will shop it to other networks and streamers, so who knows what will happen. Showrunner Robbie Thompson, in his finale week interviews, made it clear that it was their goal and priority to deliver a solid season ending that could work if the show went forward and also work if it did not – which is no easy task, I’m guessing!

The Supernatural fandom has a lot of big feelings about endings.

I know I do, and most of my fellow fans and fandom friends do too. I loved the series finale of Supernatural and feel protective of it when misinformation about it gets passed around. So I’m sure that plenty of people will feel protective of the ending of this show as well. I’m sure too that, like OG Supernatural, emotions around this finale will be mixed.

Some of my closest friends didn’t love the Supernatural series finale because they had a very hard time with Dean dying, and for some of those people somehow this episode of The Winchesters felt healing. I confess I don’t entirely understand why, since Dean was just as “alive” at the end of Supernatural as he was at the end of this episode, which is to say not alive at all but very much existing, as Jensen said to me long ago, on another plane of existence. This episode didn’t change that; Dean was happy and at peace at the end of Supernatural, and he was more or less the same at the end of The Winchesters. In fact, one could argue he had more peace at the end of Supernatural than at the end of The Winchesters, after finding out about Chuck’s fail-safe plan instead of believing that he and Sam had defeated Chuck, peace when you are done, end of story. But if some people felt they needed healing and they got it from this show, I am all for it! Most of us are very motivated to get back to some kind of equilibrium when it involves something we care deeply about, and if you can figure out a way to do it, go for it.

For fans who ultimately found Supernatural as Kripke created it too dark, The Winchesters may have felt healing in that sense too. It was a 2023 show, with a more diverse cast of characters and hunters who aren’t averse to therapy or meditation to try to cope with their anger issues and trauma instead of enacting them and periodically taking them out on other people unintentionally. In a sense, Robbie Thompson wrote a sort of fix-it fic for those aspects of Supernatural, with an ending that parallels 15.19 instead of 15.20, with John and Mary driving off into a hopeful new life, as Sam and Dean did at the end of 15.19. I didn’t need a fix-it fic; for me, ‘Carry On’ was the ending that made sense and felt right for a show that was a 42 minute horror show, dark and disturbing and sometimes hard to watch but ultimately incredibly inspiring. Its heroes were flawed and nuanced and not black and white, ever, and they lived through tragedy and always kept fighting. I felt – feel – incredibly grateful that we got the bridge scene after the barn, a far more happy ending than I ever thought we’d get on Supernatural. But I can see why people who didn’t feel that way about the finale could have found The Winchesters healing, like the best fix-it fics are undeniably healing. Again, if it feels that way to you, please revel in it and feel better. Fandom itself will certainly be the better for any healing that brings.

For me, I felt a mix of things as I was watching, and still do now after taking a week to let it all digest. I was entertained for sure – I’ve said in my last few reviews that the show seemed to be finding its feet in terms of its look and timing – and I felt relieved that my tentative theories about what was going on were mostly correct. (I’m protective of Supernatural canon, so while I trusted Robbie and the EPs to be protective also as promised, I still felt a sense of relief that this was indeed an Alternate Universe John and Mary who we were getting to know this whole time, which made the inconsistencies nothing to do with canon and everything to do with this not being OUR John and Mary.)  The cast were all able to bring their characters to life in a way that made them unique and provided enough backstory so that we felt like we were getting to know them – and they are all delightful in real life.

I’m still a bit confused about the progression from the pilot to the finale, since it started out sounding like Dean was trying to figure out his own parents’ past (not another world’s John and Mary) and that their epic love would save the world – it turns out that Baby sort of saved the world (again) with some help from all the characters plus one Dean Winchester. Most of us pretty much knew that Dean Winchester would make an actual appearance in this episode. Anyone who has ever met me knows that I love Dean Winchester like I love breathing. I can’t wait to have him and more Supernatural back on my some-kind-of screen again and more of the adventures of Sam and Dean. We didn’t get alot of Dean in The Winchesters, though intended or not, Dean’s appearance was a big part of why many people tuned in – but we got more in the season finale than in any other episode. I think because I was satisfied with how Supernatural turned out, I didn’t have a burning need to see Dean in this show, and thus his appearance in the pilot didn’t feel like relief, it just felt like having an old friend back for a bit. Without Sam, it also didn’t feel like Supernatural, so the pilot gave me a confusing Dean, the story left intentionally murky about what he was up to and why.

The rest of the season gave us Dean Winchester bits of narration as he (we now know) added to the hunting journal that I don’t think we ever saw him keep on Supernatural but he apparently did – it seems a bit more like a Sam thing to do, but hopefully this AU John and Mary benefited from it. (ETA: Apparently we did see Dean have a journal back in Season 1 episode 18, which I totally did not remember!)  I still have questions, but by the end of this episode it did feel like Dean Winchester himself was on my TV screen, albeit not in an episode of Supernatural. That was the intention for this show, to stand on its own two feet and introduce a new cast of characters that would hopefully intrigue fans enough to keep going – and Robbie has said that if that happens, it won’t be the Dean show, but the newly minted hunters in this AU world who will ‘carry on’. The show’s future is still up in the air, but I think the show succeeded in creating some memorable characters in this world’s Mary and John and Carlos and Lata (and Millie and Ada too).  It doesn’t hurt that the cast is absolutely lovely – it was a pleasure meeting many of them at New York Comic Con for interviews and at a recent convention.

So what actually happened in this episode? A LOT. Phew. We start off earlier in 1972, as John buries his friends after serving in the war, traumatized and unsure where he belongs or what he wants to do.

He sits down in a bus station, looking lost, and a mysterious man approaches and gives him an envelope – who John calls “Sir” because he’s clearly older than John himself.

Me: Jensen Ackles?!

I still can’t rewatch the episode and see that as Dean Winchester, it looks too much like Jensen. (I’m not quibbling, because the reason he needed the long hair and beard is, I’m guessing, to return to playing a character that I’m really freaking excited about! And yes it’s Heaven, he’s dead, he probably can look however he wants, so there’s no canon issue, but I still can’t see that person as Dean Winchester of Supernatural no matter how hard I try). But I’m okay with it, and the merchant marine lighthouse keeper Ernest Hemingway Robert Redford look, unsurprisingly, totally works for him.

(It worked for Redford too…)


He gives John the letter from his father and disappears; we see him looking down on a confused John from the balcony.

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The plan worked, as John buys a ticket back to Lawrence, Kansas. And then the show pulls off a well-kept secret as we pan out and see none other than Bobby Singer standing next to Dean-who-does-not-look-like-Dean.

Bobby: We’re not supposed to meddle with things, ya idjit!

Me: Bobby!!!!!

I love surprises and it’s so rare that a show pulls one off – this episode pulled off not one but two! Bobby (the amazing and wonderful Jim Beaver) being there made The Winchesters feel closer to Supernatural than it has all season, which is a good thing in my book. It tied this show to the finale, since we last saw Dean with Bobby before the final scene on the bridge.

Dean insists he wasn’t meddling (much), that the letter was intended for John and he just “gave it a nudge”. Bobby, disgruntled, sets off to “get the damn cavalry”.

Bobby: One last hunt, huh?

Dean: One last hunt.

Back to the here and now, Mary tells Samuel she’s not sure about going to college – in fact, she’s not sure what’s next for her at all.

Meanwhile, Samuel has a lead on the guy the Akrida are afraid of (ie, Dean) from a hunter named Joan.

Carlos, as often is the case, tells it like it is as they look at the photo once again.

Carlos: Well, this guy is ruggedly handsome.

True that.

He’s also “not of this Earth”, which is why he can apparently destroy the Akrida Queen – what a design flaw that anything that isn’t of this Earth can kill her! Poor planning, Chuck.

Ada finally tells the rest of them that the crystal will only work if she adds a fragment of her human soul, which Lata points out will then cause the rest to fade away. So maybe they should avoid that unless absolutely necessary, Carlos wisely suggests. Smart, Carlos.

Also Ada, don’t you want to say goodbye to your son before you power that up??

Lata is determined to find a spell that will fix that pesky little soul fading problem, which of course she will.

Samuel, John and Mary meet with Joan Hopkins, who it turns out is a former hunter. (Radio Company’s “Keep On Ramblin’” plays in the background – nice touch, EP Mr. Ackles).

She’s pissed that Dean has been messing around in their world, but assures them that he won’t be a problem anymore since she sent him through the portal – along with his car. Oh no, not Baby! A human would be torn to shreds, she says. For centuries. Ouch.

His “old journal” is all that’s left of him apparently, says Joan aka the Akrida Queen. For some unknown reason, she decides she wants to “level the playing field” instead of just taking them out like would make a lot of sense, falling prey to the dreaded villain exposition curse as she tells them who she is and how she came to be the Queen. John is me.

John: We came here for a fight so maybe we could skip the monologuing.

A+ for that line!

Anyway, a) she’s not Akrida, b) she’s a former hunter, c) she’s out of her mind. She doesn’t say that last part but it’s what we infer.

Joan: I don’t want one more hunter to needlessly die. Join me – or die.

I guess she means join me as the host for an Akrida, which seems like a very bad option. Also she’s infiltrated the clubhouse where Lata is. Lata breaks her pacifist streak in a big way to try to fight her off, but to no avail.

We get the rest of Joan Hopkins’ story from the lore – that as part of a family of hunters in the 1600s she lost her parents, her brother, all her family, and then her William. So she decided that the monsters that were never going to be gone weren’t the problem, mankind was. They always needed to be saved, so hunters kept needing to hunt and humans were ungrateful, destroying the planet and each other. (Not entirely wrong there). According to the lore, Joan apparently decided that she needed to wipe out everyone who might need saving, aka all humans, so hunters wouldn’t have anyone to save and then….could live? Which seems like a pretty bizarre way to save hunters who are, after all, humans.

She was banished from this world, but now she’s back. Lata gets possessed, and the Queen burns the Men of Letters wards that kept the portal from opening. The rest of the gang turns up to save Lata, who (in her possessed Akrida state) gives some more exposition – explanation – for who the Akrida are. Apparently they are an angry god’s “fail safe” – if anything ever bested him (presumably the way Sam and Dean bested Chuck), then they’d wipe out all life in every universe. But Joan as their queen gave them meaning, she says. I guess everyone needs meaning, even weird little alien bugs.

Before Akrida Lata can kill actual Lata, Ada says the magic word and uses part of her soul to activate the crystal to save her.

The gang decides to reverse the polarity of the Ostium using the mystery man’s journal as directions to bring him back through the portal, and if you got all that on first watch, phew. That can only happen at midnight, so the gang needs to keep the Akrida and Queen busy until they can bring back Mystery Man through the portal – by tossing in the journal.

John volunteers to stall them so Mary can lead the Mystery Man into battle, insisting that he’s not running toward danger again, but towards hope for the first time.

John: If we do this, if we save the world, we’re free.

And she’s free to do whatever she wants – Joan’s original dream of freeing up hunters from having to save people also weirdly coming true.

John, Samuel and Carlos stand up to Joan, who for some reason initially is all alone. Her “Hello, boys” was a nice touch, but she’s no Crowley – or Rowena.

John gets to say “Hunters don’t kneel” before Joan adds a few more Akrida and then they all have a sword fight. I still don’t know why the Akrida don’t fight in their scary bug forms instead or why they’re using swords for that matter.

The journal goes in the Ostium and sure enough, back through the portal comes – Baby!  With the original license plate, but without the Mystery Man, who they say must be dead. However, the car is not of this earth either, so it will make a good weapon to take out the Queen.

Mary jumps in and peels out – fun fact, Meg Donnelly got her license just to be able to drive Baby! (And confessed she almost peed her pants three times doing it)

The Queen also lets John know that she wiped out the Men of Letters, including Henry, taunting him.

The Doors “LA Woman” starts to play as Mary drives Baby through the night, over a bridge. Past an astonished Carlos.

She drives Baby right into the still-fighting-with-John Queen, which is an awesome music cue for that sequence NGL.  Baby, Mary and the Queen are knocked right into the open portal.

They disappear, and the formerly possessed people walk away, confused.

John falls to his knees ala Dean when Sam fell down the hole. Samuel looks crushed.

Then the portal reopens and Baby comes crashing through, engine revving. They all rush up to the car.

The door opens – and it’s Dean Winchester who gets out.

He helps Mary out the passenger side; she collapses into John’s arms.

John asks how they’re okay and Dean says that Baby kept Mary safe.

Dean: Me too. Course there’s not much that can tear me apart. I’m already dead.

He was stuck in the world between worlds – the limbo reference I speculated about last episode – and hopped in when he saw Baby come back through.  Dean tells them he’s a hunter, but not from this Earth, as Americana starts to play (though I’m not sure how I feel about it playing for a family that’s not “our” Winchesters). Dean says he made it to Heaven when he died, found Baby waiting for him, and went for a drive – but then took a little detour.

Lata: Through the multiverse.

Carlos asks what he was looking for.

Dean: That’s a good question, Carlos.

(A shout out to a Robbie Thompson episode of Supernatural that referred to a hunter named Carlos who Sam was talking to on the phone).

He says he was looking for his family – for an Earth that had a version of his family where they had a shot at a happy ending. Then he found out about the Akrida.

Dean: Eventually the Akrida were gonna make their way to my world and I got family there, so I couldn’t let that happen…. Now that the Akrida are gone, you can choose your own destiny. Write your own story.

And then we get another surprise – Bobby comes back with Jack! It was a total surprise to see Alex Calvert reprise his role, and a really nice one.

Jack: Hi.

Bobby speaks a bit of the weirdness we’ve all been dealing with: seeing Samuel with a full head of hair.

Jack: When I restored things, I wanted mankind to make their own fate. That meant no interference from on high, no exceptions.

And then Dean convinced me, finally, that he really was our Dean.

Dean: I couldn’t let our world be destroyed – Sam’s still down there, okay? He deserves a good, long life.  Hell, they all do. So if you wanna cast me out of Heaven, so be it.

That’s the Dean Winchester I know and love! And I love his resolve and willingness to do whatever it takes (even though we all know that Sam did, in fact, live to be an old man, so clearly Dean succeeded in this mission).

Bobby votes for another chance.

Jack: There’s always another case with you hunters, even in death.

He gives Dean the journal to give to John and Mary.

Jack: After this, it’s time to get around to the ‘there’ll be peace when you are done’ part of the song.

For now, it seems, Dean will listen.

Dean: My dad, he kept a hunter’s journal, looked just like this. This is my hunter’s journal. If you’re gonna stay in this game, it will help guide you through.

The son gives it to the father (sorta).

Dean asks Mary to do him a favor, keep an eye out for a yellow eyed demon – and gives her the Colt in case she runs into him. (I guess Jack restored that too? It was melted last we saw it)

Mary asks if there was a version of Dean’s family that had a shot at a happy ending, and he says yes.

John: You never told us your name.

Dean: Hetfield. James Hetfield.

Metallica had to get in there too.

Nick Drake’s “One of These Things First” plays as Dean, Bobby and Jack disappear and the rest of the gang head home.

Lata manages to restore Ada’s soul with a magic plant.

Samuel hugs his daughter goodbye and hits the road.

Mary plans to hit the road too, to find out who she’s gonna be. John says he found where he belongs, being a hunter, but can’t be the best version of that without facing the anger he has inside him, by therapy or some other means.

John: Do me a favor? No goodbyes.

Mary comes by the next morning, surprising John.

Mary: I don’t know where I’m going or what I’m doing…but maybe there’s something out there for the both of us and we can figure it out together during the day and you can hunt at night?

It’s a little like Dean coming to get Sam at Stanford and the two of them hitting the road, except this time they plan to combine maybe-college and maybe-hunting a little more seamlessly (and nobody’s father is frighteningly missing).

And off they go, driving down the road, in Mary’s blue car instead of Baby, but with the right Supernatural music playing – reminiscent again of Sam and Dean in 15.19.

Mary: I was reading Hetfield’s journal and he was very specific on this issue. Driver picks the music, shotgun shuts his cakehole.

Led Zeppelin’s ‘Ramble On’ ushers the Winchesters out, a montage of their meeting and falling in love playing as they drive.  That was a financial sacrifice for sure, but I’m guessing it felt special to Jensen to finally have Zeppelin in this universe, as it should be.

So The Winchesters succeeds at creating a separate story and in not messing with Supernatural canon in a significant way. At some point in his time-altered drive in Baby, Dean decided he wanted to see if there were any Winchester families out there who didn’t have to live the kind of life that his did (presumably because time wasn’t quite altered enough for him not to get bored waiting for Sam). Baby came with him somehow because – magic? – and then, to his surprise, Dean discovered that Chuck had left the Akrida as a fail safe. Which meant Dean’s world – and Sam – were threatened. Cue Dean breaking any promise not to meddle, because SAM! (And everyone else). I guess Jack took his anti-interference directive really seriously and was going to let the Akrida do what they were created to do. Sheesh, Jack!

The Winchesters, while it takes place decades before Supernatural, was not truly a prequel – not for the world of Supernatural that we know, anyway. For Dean, it’s in the midst of the timeline of the series finale, with him in Heaven and Sam still alive on Earth, so it’s really an interlude during 15.20.  I’ve thought many times that a reboot of Supernatural could take place during that same time period, or even as a true sequel post Sam and Dean’s reunion on the bridge if Sam and Dean had to jump back into action. The Winchesters can be a set up and kickoff for either of those options, as EP Jensen Ackles has said. Theoretically, a reboot of Supernatural could also run parallel to the continuation of The Winchesters – assuming viewers decide they’re now invested enough in this universe’s story. It will diverge from Supernatural’s story and won’t involve Dean Winchester, presumably, but John and Mary and Carlos and Lata still have their own story to tell. It remains to be seen whether viewers are invested enough to want to follow along.

Whether it continues or not, I’m still waiting (and hoping and praying) for Sam and Dean to put their boots back on. Fingers crossed!

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13 thoughts on “The Winchesters Season Finale: Is It Really No Way to Say Goodbye?

  • You’re so kind (to the show), Lynn! ‘The Winchesters’ really didn’t fill any sort of SPN-shaped niche for me, unfortunately, but I’m beyond glad that it didn’t take place in the mothership’s universe (tho I still wish *our* Dean weren’t involved either). But I get why he was. I’m gonna treat TWin as I do the tie-in novels: not really part of the canon, but more like fanfic.

    • As a writer you know that this story has huge continuity problems. the pilot made it clear that these were Dean’s parents, not two strangers with no connection to our SPN. Dean was going to tell the story of his parents and how his love saved the world. Never happened. I am gratified that you have at least outlined it in your essay. What made the story magically take this unexpected twist we will never know. Unfortunately if it did alter our ending since Dean didn’t drive until Sam’s arrival, he went to another universe, theoretically destroyed by Chuck. As You said this is more a different story than a prequel. And,. Please don’t forget that Dean has already put Dean’s boots on again.

  • I loved the whole thing. I thought the characters were brilliant and the tie-in to the mothership well done.

    For me, he was always Dean. Dean has always felt his Mom & Dad had a rough life. To be able to warn Mary at the end? Makes me feel squishy good inside. And of course there are NO RULES for protecting Sam. Hence Dean breaking rules to stomp on Chuck bugs.

    As for ‘The Winchesters’ characters – you bet I’ll watch. It’s a universe extension, not a replacement. But backstory on Mary and John’s personalities 1– even with the AU element — is GREAT.

    Here’s to hoping they find a home!

  • I really liked this season finale; like a previous poster, I think of this as being fanfic in the best possible sense of that term.

    Dean having his own journal — starting, it would seem, right from the jump, the “woman in white” pilot — makes all kinds of sense to me, because Dean’s MO consistently was to imitate John (and idolize Mary). I loved that this episode ended with “Ramble On, and I have previously publicly wondered just how much Jensen had to pay (but I am glad that he ponied up).

    • Sam and Dean both kept their own journals at the beginning of the series. There are times you see them writing in them. It wasn’t a lot and I can’t remember when we stopped seeing it. One of my friends pointed this out to me years ago because she thought it would be a something interesting to ask Jared and Jensen about.

  • Shortly after moving to the Bunker, Sam says to Dean that he should write down in his journal. (I believe he was referring to all the artifacts they were finding in the Bunker, but I’m not sure if I’m remembering that part right.) AFAIK that’s the only time Dean’s journal is referred to.

    The ending of the Akrida was too pat for me. Joan was stupid and boring for a Queen that was supposedly so formidable. The fight scene made no sense. The Akrida should’ve wiped the Hunters out with no problem. Esp John’s fight with Joan – it was too lengthy. There was no explanation as to WHY Dean (or Baby) could’ve destroyed the Akrida/Queen. WHY did have to be “something not of this Earth”? Ada getting her soul restored was too pat. Jensen didn’t feel like Dean. Why wasn’t he dressed in the same clothes from the SPN finale? He changed them, and then changed them back to meet Sam? Does that make sense? Why didn’t Dean tell them who he really was? How did Dean jump from Heaven to another Earth? I liked the idea that he was doing more than driving around Heaven during 15.20, but I would’ve liked more information on how he did it (esp without Jack knowing?)

    And reading your summary, I realized one of the problems I had was that Dean didn’t feel like Dean. It felt like Jensen, as you said. And that was because of the look. If he had had on the finale clothing, then I might have been able to see Dean more. I understand the reasoning behind the beard & longer hair, but having him in Dean’s real clothes would made it likelier to see our Dean.

    I do want to thank Robbie, Jensen, Danneel, and the writers for giving us such great characters like Carlos, Millie and Lata. Meg & Tom I could do without (and now it makes more sense why Samuel & Deanna were separated). And Drake was wonderful as John (is he taller than Jared? It seemed that was at JIB Con).

    And finally, I’m hoping the reason for the longer haired Dean is because of the return of Soldier Boy. I wonder if the press release he’s been referring to lately (that’s been delayed) is referencing this. I don’t think it would be announcing Beau’s returning, since that show hasn’t been renewed yet. Jensen did say it was due to a character he needed the hair & beard for. Oh please please! I want a redemption story for SB.

  • Nice review Lynn. Like you, I liked the ending to OG Supernatural. I thought Dean deserved to finally be at peace. And, as Jensen stated at one of the cons, I don’t think Dean would have been able to go on without Sam if the roles had been reversed.
    This little version of Dean, in The Winchesters, keeping himself busy taking care of others while waiting on Sam, does fit into his character. No matter the multiverse, he’s going to do what needs to be done to protect family, Jack’s rules be damned.
    Overall, I enjoyed The Winchesters. As the season progressed, I became more and more attached to the characters. I think they deserve more time to be fleshed out and explored. We’ve only spent 13 episodes with them, which is not long to really get invested. In addition, the show runners had to set up a world that allowed them to divert from canon, therefor freeing them to explore new storylines. Now that it’s been established that this John and Mary are not THE John and Mary, The Winchester can go wherever they want, story wise. They are not locked in by canon, yet they have that entire back catalogue as reference material to dip into if they so choose.
    It was important for me to approach the new show as just that, a new show. Yes, there would be aspects that are similar, but anyone expecting the exact same thing they got from the original would be putting unfair pressure on a completely new and different creation.

  • I loved the finale of “Supernatural.” Sam and Dean ending up in heaven together was perfect. I also liked the dark tone of the Kripke area. I missed those gritty episodes in the latter season. Overall, the show was too bright and lost some of the drama (Season 15 ghosts in broad daylight, etc).

    I’m satisfied with how they ended The Winchesters. Things were wrapped up on a way that could be a series finale. I liked being surprised by the 2 cameos. I enjoyed seeing Dean again and him saying that he basically did it all to save Sam. I liked the characters for the most part. Mary never really felt like the Mary we knew which I guess works now since she wasn’t. Lata didn’t have much to do besides quickly find the answer the the weekly problem. I would have loved seeing John and Carlos team up for hunts more often. Maybe see Deana since I don’t understand why she wasn’t included in the show.

    With all that being said, I don’t need another season. I hate how this show has turned some J2 fans against Jensen. I hate how it split an already divisive fan base. I don’t think the CW will renew it but I also think some people will never forgive Jensen for his part in this show. It makes me sad.

    I hope Jared and Jensen get a chance to do a reboot but it needs to be written by a solid writing team who understands character, plot, cannon, etc. Buckner and Ross-Lemming can’t be anywhere near it (along with some other writers I won’t mention).

  • I was thrilled to see Dean once again along with Bobby and Jack. To me it looked like Dean was dressed like Benny the vampire, complete with scruff, minus the hat.

    I wouldn’t say that The Winchesters filled that SPN hole in my heart but it came a lot closer than Walker. I enjoy Walker and Independence but they aren’t supernatural.

  • I enjoyed the darker feel of early supernatural but I understand that with any long runner you can get genre shift and that’s entirely the prerogative of the writers. What I didn’t like was with increased job security, the writers became increasingly careless with their craft. Storylines became badly executed, disconnected, and at time down right contradictory to previous canon and characterisation. Jared having to fight for Sam’s hell trauma not being trivialised is perhaps most representative of that shift.

    This spinoff had a lot of the same symptoms of the later Disney-fied Supernatural. I tried to give it a chance but it just felt shallow, from the villains, to the costumes, to the emotional beats not being earned as much as blatantly transplanted from the original. The last straw was Robbie Tompson just coming out and saying they resorted to a Deus ex Machina to wrap up the story. That’s 101 of bad story telling but more than anything, it felt presumptive. Just because you have a built in fanbase doesn’t mean you don’t have to try. Just because you’re writing fantasy/horror doesn’t mean you can discard basic narrative structure and world building. Kripke’s supernatural was dusty and dark and suffused in gothic Americana, TW felt like a Disney special where even Mary’s “scary clown” make up looked cute.

  • I’ve skipped your blow by blow recap because I intend to watch the finale sometime, but totally agree with your first few paragraphs about SPN and TW generally. I actually didn’t feel a need for a prequel, and had more hoped for maybe a SPN mini series or a movie at some point, but I also can’t begrudge these young actors’ chance to shine. As you say, they are a sweet and lovely bunch, and deserve good things to come in their futures. I totally agree with this too “Without Sam, it also didn’t feel like Supernatural”, and found it hard to get past the messing about with canon even thinking, as you did, that this had to be an AU.

  • I thought that too (Jack not interfering and being okay with mankind/everything coming to an end) but then I remembered Jack has that whole omniscient thing going on so he knew how it would end. Or rather, not end, because of Dean being Dean.


    Also? This how I see the passing off of knowledge from son to AU father:

    Dean: My dad, he kept a hunter’s journal, looked just like this. This is my hunter’s journal. If you’re gonna stay in this game, it will help guide you through.

    John:. “Yeah…thanks but no thanks.”

    Dean:. “I really think you might want to rethink that decision.”

    Mary:. “We’ll be fine. We’ve got Lata.”

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